Originally Posted by Ugh

So rangers just spam Cripshot, Dshot, Savage, LR, Apply, and Natural Stride, their target dies, and then they move on?

And warriors spam Bull's on non-moving targets, use Frenzy while taking damage, and spam Shock on recharge?

No.

With a sin, you copy a build from PvX, spam skills in a paticular order, your target dies, you do it again. There is absolutely nothing less to it.


Everyone else would rather you have none.

Also, "then" is not used in comparisons, so your actual post contradicts your intent.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

Well I can kiss my free glad and fame points goodbye. SW will be nerfed due to high shitter complaints of 'I have no RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin skill can't beat lameway do something boss-net!'. But hey, at least I was having fun farmin these lame shitter SW sins for the last 2 days. Spend less time being a shitter and more time learning that block stance is now metagame and you might have gotten 40 glad/60 fame like me since the 'GAME CHANGING!!!!!!!!' buff to Seeping Wound.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

You are bitching about natural game mechanics here. 123456 is the normal assasin chain because unlike other characters where you can press, 1, 2, and then tab, hit 2 again, tab and hit 2 again....Assasins have chains that need to be ran or their skills will not hit. Sorry we can't all run Cripshot tab spammers with apply poison and act like we're not pathetic shitters?

Edit: Thumbsup on the english lesson. When beat, use any means neccessary to insult your opponents ego/credibility further so that maybe nobody will listen to them and think you're smart instead. Psychology 101.

Originally Posted by Meridon

Hold on, the assassins in this thread are actually QQing about something other than Shadow Form?

Oh lawd.

In regard to Seeping wound being nerfed, just get over it. Nerfing is a good thing, and it forces you to think in a wider perspective. My favorite Cripshot got nerfed, which was a pity for me, but in the end it's a good thing.

Originally Posted by Morphy

What is being argued is that it needs to be nerfed again.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

Good Players dont play assasins: Good players play all classes and specialize in a few that they are good at. A good assasin before this buff that has you kitties going assanine could still own mostly everything it set its eyes on, if not countered/pre measures were taken to shut them down, and thats why good players would play them in RA, which is what I thought we were discussing this nerf over. Quit crying because now you can't cast Empathy and forget about melee, you might just have to use a brain cell or two.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

To people saying nerf: Give some other options for the skill to be changed and explain why you think it is OP other then 'I dont bring anti melee/hex and melee/hex kills me so it must be OP'.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

To whiners again: I have made nothing but feedback, and yes, RUDELY pointed out your mistakes just like I would have you point out mine, and how easy it is to say that all classes take no skill, rather then reflexes. Hitting 3 or 4 to interrupt after spreading snare/poison requires reflexes, not brains.

Originally Posted by Morphy

The biggest part of being a good Ranger or Warrior is knowing what to do, strategizing. Reflexes are indeed important for a Ranger, but it requires insight and understanding of the game to be able to truly play a Ranger well. There isn't such a thing for Assassins: You pick a target, 123456 him to death, rinse and repeat.



That doesn't make the skill any less mindless. Assassins need a big overhaul if you want them to have strategical value.



Uhm, I have played Assassins in the past and the only thing you could possibly call strategy was auto-attacking a target till the Monk wastes his Guardian then comboing another target. This kind of stuff isn't hard to do and doesn't require any insight or awareness: Just wait till they waste their important skills. Empathy is a bad skill for balance. It should be reworked because it takes no skill to play. Seeping Wound needs a nerf because it puts Assassins into play in a way that is degenerate and mindless.



Ranger interrupts are so powerful because they have a very short recharge, meaning they can be used oftenly. Mesmer interrupts generally have more powerful effects. Mesmer interrupts will generally be used to trigger that effect, Ranger interrupts will be used purely to interrupt skills. Dshot is very powerful because it has both a short recharge and a good side effect.

Surely you can see yourself that if 99% of the top guilds run Rangers with interrupts, they have to be powerful? People use Rangers for a reason.



Arenanet is extremely inconsistent with their balance. Saying that they follow the advice of one of your RA friends sounds a bit dumb to me. Other than that, if those "wammos" don't want to fail anymore, they are better off taking that Assassin build, which is far easier to play. Kind of ironic, don't you think?



Adapting to this metagame is very easy: I just need to take that Assassin build and abuse it like crazy. That's not my issue with this skill. The issue is that it dumbs down the game. People are using 5 of these idiotic builds with Orders in GvG now. No matter how you look at it, that's a bad thing. Your comparison with Toxic Shock is terrrible, by the way: this skill is so powerful because it is a hex primer that deals damage and snares your opponent, with a really low recharge, cast time and energy cost. Even if the damage was reduced to, say, 5-15 it would still be ridiculous. It's not the damage that makes this skill so powerful, it's that it does so much things at the same time. The same reason why Palm Strike was so broken when they introduced that.



I'm not trolling: I'm showing you exactly how wrong you are in an attempt to let Arenanet ignore people like you.



Again, any nerf to this skill will either take it out of the game (which is good) or leave it still overpowered. This skill needs a more thorough rework, if balancing is your intent.



You see, Palm Strike isn't good for balance either. It's unused because there are more powerful builds, but it's as mindless as the next Assassin build. Didn't you see the ruckus that the Palm Strike buff caused? That shows exactly how bad Assassins are doing.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

1. D-Shot at half range or when they get in range.
2. ?????????
3. Profit?
4. If you miss it because your bad, you always have over 5 stances to choose from.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

'Pro people use rangers so they must be good!': I could win mAT playing with random henchmen, its that shitter.

Palm Strike = Mindless?
Most of the time, unless you know how to split and lineback while still dealing damage to key enemies.

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

Alrite so in your opinion, the whole game should be re-worked to cater to you, rangers take 'insight' and 'expertise' rather then predicting when your enemy is going to use a certain skill and blammo the 2 or 3 button, Assasins are not the end all to the game now, they finally get a part in the game now. You brag about 'rangers r great l0l pr0' but if you were a great ranger you'd have no problem with this metagame shift, the rangers I know are having alot of fun with this.

Originally Posted by Morphy

Rangers are fine for the most part: They have some left-overs that are designed to deal damage, which needs to remain outside of the Ranger scope, but not much noteworthy. Dual Shot, Forked Arrow and Punishing Shot should be reworked so that they have a different purpose besides being R-spike fuel. Stances could also use some work: They currently require very little awareness.


-Agree'd on this one, r-spike is very dominant in the forms of PvP that most people think their pro for 123 venting-

As far as I'm concerned, Rangers weren't changed in the last update apart from the mandatory Crippling Shot revert. I really don't know how this metagame shift (FC Blood Magic Mesmers and Seeping Wound Assassins seeing use) would affect proper Rangers, other than having to deal with overly simplistic and boring builds. It just makes the job of a Ranger easier. Again, my issue with Seeping Wound is that it's a boring skill, both to play and play against.

-Agree'd as well. But aren't most cookie cutter builds boring to play against? Seeping Wound is just a new one.-

I don't know what point you're trying to make with this overly simplistic view of how Dshot should be used. Dshot is a shutdown skill; it's up to the player to decide what should be shut down and, obviously, to execute that. It's a hard skill to master. And that's just one skill on the Ranger bar. Concerning that 4. thing, what? Rangers don't take 5 stances. I also don't understand how failing to shut down a skill (important!) and stance use are related. They're separate and should be treated as such.

-My point is that D-shot has a low energy cost and is spammable, and having it on your bar if you know how to use it is a very powerful tool. However block and blind do still own it, and I would take a mesmer with 4 interrupts rather then a ranger with d-shot, hope this clears up how I feel about d-shot/savage. And Ranger metagame is currently around 5 different stances that are widely used, so I was saying that if you failed to interrupt/shutdown the assasin before they got to you, you could always press 6 or 7 to block their chain.

EDIT: Rangers do have different purposes, but the casual bar is a condition and an interrupt with mending touch/remove hex, a speed stance, and a block stance. I would take a mesmer with heavy interrupts and a snare rather then a Ranger is what I am trying to say so that it doesn't come across as ignorant to rangers or that I dont know what their capable of in the right hands.-


I'd like to see you try. Also, good job ignoring the rest of what I said, which had to do with why Ranger interrupts are powerful and not weak as you seem to claim. Please react to what is relevant.

-That is basically all your arguement was. Rangers are good and if you dont agree then press B and observe 123 ventspike-



Lol at the assumption that Palm Strike isn't mindless. Those strategies you mention are inherent to any frontliner. Different strategies don't need different skill use: you just spam your attack skills on a Warrior (linebacking) or on NPCs (splitting). That's still mindless: pick your target and spamspamspam, switch to Warrior if your team is taking too much pressure. Besides that, Palm Strike mainly sees (saw) use in Heroes' Ascent, where these strategies aren't nearly as important.

-Skill: Knowledge, ability, or general mindframe used to make you good at something. Saying that Palm Strike is mindless and then proceeding to say that any other player that plays frontline is mindless as well for using the linebacking/splitting theory is dumb. Palm strike can be effectively used for relieving pressure on the team and pressuring the enemy team. 7 second cooldown, 5+ second cripple for 5 energy.-



Nowhere in my post did I put a serious suggestion for this skill. The 5-15 scaling was merely an example to show exactly how powerful (=overpowered) this skill is. Stop taking what I say out of context.

-I have said in most of my posts to post an idea to change this rather then QQ over it, I thought that maybe you had read what I said for once.-

Before you react to my post, answer me this: Do you care about skill balance at all? Do you agree that this game should be about how skilled you are, not what skills you choose to use? If so, then my arguments should convince you you're wrong. If not, and it looks like it judging by your posts, then there isn't much convincing I can do: you disagree with me on a fundamental level. I can prove that Seeping Wound is gravely overpowered, but if you think that's not a problem then there isn't much to discuss, is there?

-I care about skill balance, but because a skill is overpowered in one area does not mean its overpowered in another. Seeping Wound is weak in JQ/FA/AB (RA if you dont bring a self sustaining build), but is strong and useful in GvG and some HA, where single target spiking is the main way to win. It doesn't need a nerf based on the fact that Broken Ascent and Bad Team Vs Really Bad team suffers from it, it needs to be integrated into metagame. And for the record, I said that I believed the snare should be toned down, because 50% reduced movement speed is overpowered for a 1/4th cast time.-

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

to put this frankly, anyone ever notice how something kicks thier ass in pvp or overfarms them they get all upset and want the main skill nerfed? guys,if you want seeping wound toned down a bit, then how about asking for toning down Blinding surge...? quit QQing intelligently about a skill thats overpowered, simply put hexbreaker then laugh, or assassins remedy/other condition removal.problem solved.